Design evolves. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. The newest addition announced at the 2020 SHOT Show is the 27 Nosler, which, as you might have guessed, is a .270 caliber. Even at the 500-yard mark, the 27 Nosler will deliver over 2,100 ft.-lbs. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. The .28 Nosler cartridge is one of the best cartridges for hunting elk as long as controlled-expansion bullets are used. And suddenly, in 2020, were getting two of them. The .27 Nosler works with a larger powder reservoir. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. Winchesters original .270 of 1925 is still embraced as a mild-shooting, flat-shooting, open-country deer cartridge. quote: 7mm/284 and 6.5 have a huge selection of bullets already available. Mag., 27 Nosler, .277 SIG Fury. high B.C. How much more, exactly? cannot measure up to the .338 Win. Any rifle/cartridge adequate for elk at long range is also adequate up close, but my concept of a thick-cover elk rifle uses a heavy, large-diameter bullet, without concern for flat trajectory or extreme velocity. For deer and pronghorn, to much gun. The .28 Nosler cartridge is one of the best cartridges for hunting elk as long as controlled-expansion bullets are used. Super pressure, if you will. With such a rifle, we are expecting a shot at less than 100 yards. I used a 7mm Rem Mag for years, great cartridge. Mag. Mag., 6.5 Weatherby RPM, 6.5-300 Wby. I have shot neither so my opinion may not mean much. However, simply not passing through the body is not necessarily a bad thing, and depends highly on the bullet construction. Mag. 2500fps and 1600+ft-lb at same distance. Good bullet design and placement seem to work just fine. The .277 Fury works with much higher chamber pressures to get high velocity. Lots of familiar rifles are chambered for it, ammo is abundant, variable and inexpensive. Do you feel a 140 grain Barnes TTSX would be suitable for elk? Bulls are bigger than cows; and mature, fully grown bulls are huge. Mag. Just $1 per month , A side-by-side comparison of the .270 Winchester vs. .27 Nosler vs. .277 Sig Fury, By In the other case, it bucked around for about 5 seconds before expiring. of energy, making it a suitable choice for an all-around North American cartridge. The .280 Ackley Improved is hot these days, flying about 100 fps behind the 7mm Rem. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. In the article it states that the 28 Nosler carries 1500 ft lbs tot 747 yards. But times change. Two of the newest entrants into this category, the .28 Nosler and the .300 PRC. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. of their 165-grain bullet yet, but we guesstimated it should be at least .650 G1 and approaching .70. Not everybody has embraced the rage for rangeand not all elk are found in open country. It nearly matched ballistics of the Weatherby Magnum. Backfire LLC owns and operates this website. Im a big 270 fan too FYI. Mag. Skis are easily the most efficient way to cover snowy ground on foot in winter. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. from a .338 Federal should deliver 1,711 f-p energy at 300 yards and drop just nine inches. can be laid at the feet of the shooter or the bullet used. bullet makes it easier to hit should you misjudge the range. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. Hey, Im sorry if I offend your sensibilities, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and my eye has never beheld beauty in any rifle built with hard angles, holes, posts, adjustable combs and butts, etc. Yes, the 7mm bullet flies better and can be pushed a bit faster, yet the .30-caliber bullet has more frontal area, dealing a harder initial blow. Your email address will not be published. Retains > 1,700 foot/pounds of energy at 500 yards. will handle the .338 Win. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. The SIG Furys is 80,000 psi. With a .28 Nosler and a TTSX, you can pretty much guarantee a full passthrough on almost any angle. To contain 80,000 psi pressures SIG has built a reportedly beefy rifle. Figure another 30 fps velocity increase for every inch of barrel added and a 24-inch launchpad should nudged that 140-grain to 3,240 fps. Mag. When Winchester came out with this modification of the .30-06 these was no other 27-caliber cartridge in the world. Video of Elk Being Shot with .28 Noslerif(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_13',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Nosler even advertises the .28 Nosler primarily as an elk cartridge. Of the seven chamberings offered in the Premier Highlander, the 300 PRC, 300 Winchester Magnum, 7mm Magnum and 28 Nosler all are up to taking elk. Manufacturer #: 61237. The cartridge fires a bullet with a diameter of .284 inches or 7mm. Just 3,000 fps. Mag., and .300 RUM are all 30 calibers, but significantly different 30-caliber cartridges. bullets coming soon like the 165-grain AccuBond Long Range just announced and the 170-grain Berger EOL Elite Hunter (G1 B.C. The .277-inch bore has been definedfor nearly a centuryby the .270 Winchester, and while that cartridge is an undeniable classic, its twist rate limits the bullet weight to 150 grains maximum, with some of the round nosed 160s stabilizing properly in certain circumstances. A .270 Winchester would generate about 20 ft-lbs in the same rifle. Recoil is stout, but manageable. 27 Nosler sets a new standard. So, next best thing: If youre serious about longer shots on elk, man up and use a fast .30 with todays heavy, low-drag bullets, 200 to 225 grains. Magnum, 26 Nosler, and my choice for all-round balance in a short action rifle, the 6.5 PRC. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. Lots of things still to be determined, but at least the .277-inch bullet size is getting some new life. And there havent been a heck of a lot since. Federal Terminal Ascent Hunting Bullet: Field Review, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. When it first came out in 1962, it sent the then four-year-old .264 Winchester Magnum into a tailspin. Heft up to a 10-pound rifle and kick will calm to just 32.7 ft-lb. The old archetypical big-timber elk rifle was the Winchester M71 in .348. But in the chart it says it carries it to over 1200 yards. Even at the 500-yard mark, the 27 Nosler will deliver over 2,100 ft.-lbs. This will be influenced significantly by the terrain youll hunt. Just $1 per month , Heres a list of some of the most notable cartridges for elk hunting. Why I believe the actual on target energy is about the same as felt recoil. .308-inch diameter bullet carrying 1,500 ft-lb energy and I doubt theyll notice any difference. Wonderful elk cartridge, so is the .325 WSM, but theyre not common. Ive just shown that its no faster than the .300 Win. 27 Nosler 150gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Ammunition, 27 Nosler 165gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition. But not so much that youre afraid to shoot it. The partition has proven itself over the years to penetrate deep. Im not sure if theyve won the contract or if the testing is still underway, but the civilian bolt-action rifle and ammo should become available in 2020. There are plenty of other .30-calibers for hire. 1:8.5 The 27 Noslers faster-than-standard twist barrel is designed to stabilize modern, long range bullets. Or even ten. I do enjoy the videos and your enthusiasm in them. Fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. But where it deviates from its barrel-diameter brethren is in case capacity. I could go for one of the several faster .33s, but Ive tried most of them. Both new rounds exceed the ballistics of the old one, but do it in different ways. 6.5 Creedmoor. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. If you hunt where the game is tough, the shots are long and demanding, and there is no room for compromise, there is no better choice than the 27 Nosler. For example: Fire a Nosler 168-gr. With yellow bodies and bright rumps, in open country they can be seen at vast distances, making them a classic long-range target. Hit an elk with a 175-gr. Work the numbers, compare for yourself; at moderate ranges differences arent that dramatic. Some .30-calibers work best in lever actions, some in short actions, some in full magnum actions. How about outstanding accuracy, flat trajectories, long legs and a 165gr wallop at the end of that ballistic journey? Product #: 503034. I have shot most of my big game with a 270 Win or a 270 WSM. Inside of 500 yards the ballistics and energy are comparable. Hell, Ive had at least one for 40 years. And it has worked just find on elk, moose, even big brown bears, though most think it waaay too light for that. They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0 mm (0.550 in). Choosing one of them comes down to personal preference and the kinds of rifles one likes to carry. Most hunters dont absolutely need such long, heavy bullets for effective performance at responsible game-taking distances, but beyond 300 yards they do flatten trajectories, minimize wind deflection, and maximize retained energy. Historians of guns and ammo credit OConnors writings for popularizing the little .270, which was and still is a bit of an oddball caliber. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. The .264 topped out at 140-grains. This is the unfortunate trade off. A few more calibers throwing those famous .308 bullets include the .300 Ruger Compact Magnum, .300 SAUM, .300 WSM, .30/308 Norma Mag., .300 H&H, 30 Nosler, .300 Wby. Im convinced these new, heavy bullets elevate the .270s performance on larger game: Similar to the 7mms with like bullet weights; and exceeding the capability of any 6.5mm. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. They shoot flatter, but they kick me into next week. The 7mm family hatched around 1892 with the 7x57mm Mauser and has since grown to fifteen or more. I wouldnt hesitate to take the 27 Nosler on any elk or moose hunt, and Id also feel comfortable using it on the full gamut of African plains game, as well as leopard. Some of us hunt still-hunt elk in black timber and on brushy lower slopes. . Re-barrel to the 27 Nosler and go kill elk. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. Mag., look at a .338 Federal, .358 Win., or even 7mm-08 Win. Mag. One of the main differences between the 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler is velocity. I dont personally shoot extreme ranges when hunting by any means, but when I can consistently hit 600 yards in practice, I know 300 wont give me any trouble when hunting. will want to try the more radical-looking SIG Cross in .277 Fury. The 27 Nosler has a neck length of 0.328, so neck tension isnt an issue at all; generally speaking, the cartridges neck should be at least one caliber in length, and most are, with the glaring exception of the .300 Winchester Magnum. Its just too convenient and effective to go away. Well, bullet weight, perhaps? (Photo: Kristin Alberts/Guns.com) Synonymous with quality hunting ammunition, Nosler shakes things up in the .270 world introducing a new caliber - the 27 . Ron Spomer Mag. Benefits of the .28 Nosler. Not sure of performance gains or losses between the two. How the Brand-New 27 Nosler Revives the .277, We used the new cartridge on a big-game hunt last fall. For elk, I would go with the 28. I wouldnt want to use my lightweight rifle in .28 Nosler for a range gun when I want to shoot 50-100 shots for a practice session. Mag. Nonsense. Over the decades, millions of deer, elk, sheep, bears and pronghorn have fallen to it, to grace the tables and walls of Americas hunters and add chapters to the American hunting lore. Think it all through carefully before choosing. The included photo of the model/mock up of this case is close but not exact. Enjoy your videos very much. The 27 Nosler shares the same caliber as the storied .270 Winchester and other .27 caliber rifles. worldwide popularity. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. At 500 yds. Bill Buckley. At the light end is the .338 Federal, the .308 Winchester case necked up. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. Im not not the kind of shooter that whips out a 50BMG or .338 Lapua for a casual day on the range. UPC #: 054041612371. So my final hunting setup only weighs 8 pounds, 8 ounces. If you like velocity, the 27 Nosler will fit the bill, as it drives the 150-grain bullets to a muzzle velocity of 3300 fps, and the 165-grain bullets to 3150 fps. But .300 Win. re: new 27 nosler vs 28 nosler Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:43 pm to kengel2. I am pretty certain that your ballistic table is incorrect, the energy and velocity column are identical for 200-1,000 yards and the two columns are flipped for 1,200 and 1,500 yards. Theyre all proven to kill elk with proper shot placement and are available in rifles you wont mind carrying in the mountains. As an elk cartridge, the .30-06 still shines. Give a Gift Conceived as a 21st century upgrade, the 27 Nosler delivers previously unobtainable downrange ballistics by pairing the ultimate combination of case capacity with modern long-for-caliber bullets. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Foot-pounds aside, I think elk-sized animals are better taken with heavier bullets than are essential for your typical deer round. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. That is, the best of the best for terminating elk without beating up shooters. . 1 Write a Review Q&A (2) Our Price: $110.99. Mag., and no one howls about that being too fast. My thoughts are this, the .25-calibers, limited to 120-grain bullets, are too light for bull elk. Use enough gun, enough caliber, and enough cartridge and bullet to invite them to dinner. 28. bullets, weight to weight, have a higher SD for potentially better penetration. numbers hitting .590 or so, keep velocities at 3,000 fps with carefully built handloads, and 300-yard drop is only 2.3 inches, wind deflection 4.7 inches, retained energy 2,700 ft-lb. Hornady Outfitter is pretty accurate and its less than its other Nosler cousins. The 7 WSM and 7 SAUM just about match it in handier short action rifles. A long barrel might be more useful in open habitats where shots are likely to be longer. Mag., .300 RUM, and .30-378 Wby. How long of a barrel are you willing to carry? It worked fine for long range deer hunting, but elk hunters wanted more bullet. No matter, people are shooting at elk at longer ranges, and todays rifles, optics, and bullets will get there. The 27 Nosler follows on the heels of the success of its siblingsthe 26, 28, 30 and 33 Noslersbeing based on the classic .404 Jeffery case, shortened to fit in a standard long-action and with much of the body taper removed to enhance case capacity. Ditto rifle size. Another good choice for an elk bullet would be the standard 140 grain AccuBond. Drawbacks to the .28 Nosler. Both sizes are much better ballistically and that what i was saying in my post. In local stores, you are unlikely to find anything other than Hornadys Precision Hunter 162-grain ELD-X, or a Noslers 175-grain Trophy Hunter load with an Accubond bullet. Manufactured by Nosler as part of their Trophy Grade Ammunition lineup and loaded with the legendary Nosler Partition bullet, this is hands down the best 28 Nosler ammo for elk, moose, or bear hunting at shorter ranges. (Or you can just stalk closer and to heck with pushing the envelope. That said, dozens, nay hundreds of elk are layed low each fall by careful application of the 6.5 Creedmoor, a near ballistictwin of the Swede. In the past, you had to handload to get these, but long-range shooters have created sufficient demand that many ammo makers now offer factory ammo featuring bullets heavier than 200-grains. So, bullet performance and caliber are the measures of killing power at expected shooting ranges. #20. Watch videos, see the latest gear and more. Though Nosler offers just two loads, the handloader can take full advantage of the full gamut of component bullets available for the .270 Winchester and others, giving the handloader a bullet range of 130 to 165 grains. Fear of recoil ruins the best laid plans of mice and men, and thats why choosing the best elk cartridge requires thorough research and honest assessment. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. But I also have a 6-foot 2-inch 20-something friend who climbs with a little 6.5 Creedmoor and lays out 66 bulls with single shots at 400 yards. The .277 Fury works with much higher chamber pressures to get high velocity. When hunting elk with a rifle, shooting distances vary widely depending on the topography and vegetation youre hunting. Mag., and elk hardly know the difference. None require field artillery, but a mature Rocky Mountain bull might weigh 800-1000 pounds, four times the size of most mule deer bucks. Another desirable choice is the also-scarce .358 Winchester, and I took a fine Colorado bull with a Marlin in .338 Marlin Express, a great cartridge. Adequate, but be careful and watch the distance. will kick with 29.3 ft-lb, and the 300 will slap you with 37 ft-lb. Again, bullet weight. I usually shoot 168 grain Nosler ABLR 160 grain Nosler AB bullets. Here stands the old warrior with its two newest competitors in the rather small .27-caliber world. However, since the 2007 advent of the 6.5 Creedmoor, theyve taken the target and hunting world by storm. Quite frankly I was surprised to get that velocity out of the 270 win. Some shoot faster and hit harder than the .338 Win. So match your 7mm elk dreams to your recoil tolerance and select among this big family. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler Cartridges. may have inspired Winchester to bring out its marvelous .300 magnum the very next year. If you plan to order your ammunition online, the best elk hunting cartridge Ive seen is probably the Nosler 160-grain Trophy Grade ammunition with a good old Partition bullet. It hits harder than the .30/06 and even the old .300 H&H Magnum without as much recoil as the .338. throwing similar weight projectiles means youre packing elk medicine. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? This meant the .338 Win. True. Thats ok. Live and learn is a common aphorism for a reason. Elk are a big deal because theyre a big deer, and thus require big elk calibers. Exactly. Elk wont care one way or the other so long as you use a suitable bullet and park it properly. Traditional .270s are limited by 1:10 rifling twist to 150-grain bullets. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. They are still out there but getting scarce. Thats good enough for 3,500 ft-lb muzzle punch. And he could get it in affordable rifles from several manufacturers. Energy and velocity are more indicators of bullet performance ability, along with penetration at range. This nudges MV (muzzle velocity) to 3,200 fps and increases recoil velocity to almost 18 fps and energy to nearly . Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Makes me feel good to see I am within 150 fps of the 27 Nosler. Yes, this is a short-action, small capacity case which demands we ask the obvious question: how can the little .277 SIG Fury shoot as fast from a 16-inch barrel as the larger .270 Winchester shoots from a 24-inch barrel? Mag. For 2020, Nosler has chosen to take the venerable 270 caliber to a new level with the introduction of the all-new 27 Nosler. We have an embarrassment of choices in 7mms, and elk dont like any. The SIG and Nosler both require fast twist rifling to stabilize those long, high B.C. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. Reno Nevada. Only downside to the 27N is lack of high BC bullets to really stretch its legs out. Certainly the .270s and 6.5mms can and do take elk annually, but one would be hard pressed to recommend them as optimum. According to my notes, I've killed 27 elk with a 270. In comparison a 250-grain slug at 2,600 fps will churn up just 3,750 ft-lb. Hunting elk is hard work. Mag., some less. So, Nosler, a company rooted in tradition but also with an eye to cutting-edge performance, has now turned its attention to the .277 caliber and brought the loading possibilities into the modern era with the introduction of the 27 Nosler. Bugling rifle hunts arent common, but they still exist. No experience with this specific bullet, but with my .270 I have taken 5 elk (2 bulls, 3 cows) with the 150gr Federal Fusion in factory load. The 28 Nosler adds considerable powder, thus energy, to push the same 175-grain bullet as the 280 AI. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. If you anticipate hunting big, open country or canyonlands where shots could go long, the .300 and .338 magnums should be on your list. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. In fact, thats one of the very best elk bullets out there. I think the reason the .28 Nosler factory loads are so focused on long range expansion is that it is an extremely capable long range cartridge. My 28 Nosler launches the 162 Grain EL-DX's at 3,250 FPS. Fireformed case, overflowing to the neck = 98.4 gr/H2O with a 150 AB seated to 3.340 OAL = 89.9 gr/H2O. Not faster, not always more accurate, but designed around modern bulletswhich really do offer a long-range advantage. One of them was even a clean pass through and she only walked about 20 yards and piled-up. If youre shopping for the perfect elk caliber/rifle, determine how much recoil you can tolerate without flinching and how much rifle weight you might enjoy packing. Lighter recoil matched to .300 Win. Mag., flying half a foot flatter and impacting with an additional 200fps of energy at 500 yards. The easier the terrain, the heavier the hunting rifle youll be able to tolerate. .284-inch bullet or a 180-gr. Again, bullet weight. Whats not to like? At 2,500 fps and a B.C. Throw the excellent 32 calibers into the mix, the .325 WSM and 8mm Rem. As with any caliber, the lighter the bullet and lower the muzzle velocity, the easier the rifle is to handle and the closer you should get before taking your shot. By 600 yards that energy advantage will have dropped to just 180 ft-lb. We use cookies to make your experience better. The .270 Winchesters SAAMI spec maximum chamber pressure is 65,000 psi. 27 Nosler 145 Hornady ELD-X-How The 27 Nosler Outdoes Other .270s: Based on the .404 Jeffery, its case has exceptional capacity. This little brother to the .338 Win. At 800 yards the 28 Nosler carries just over 2000 ft lbs of energy. The .300 Win Mag is the worlds most popular magnum. The 27 Nosler, like its counterparts across the family of Nosler cartridges, has raised the performance bar when it comes to the .277. I put a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x scope on my rifle, so the finished setup weighed 31.2 ounces. If you can't get it done with the 27 nosler, you won't get it done with the 28 nosler. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Thats not a typo. And realize that after a hunt or choice you might want to choose differently. About 1:8 would be my guess. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? If you were to buy a scope for all around elk hunting/500 yards and in 2.5x8 would be just . If there were a factory load of .28 Nosler Cartridges with a 168-grain Barnes LRX, Id order a whole pallet right away. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Which begs the question: Why arent more bird hunters using them? Will your favorite rifle brand and style be chambered in it? If needed, 27 Nosler brass can be formed from 30 Nosler brass. Trm82 said: I have one getting chambered right now in 27 nosler . The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. at 3,000 fps. Unless Sig Sauers new .277 SIG Fury is more your style. When choosing among these three .270s one must consider more than just ballistics. By the way, the .277 SIG Fury arose out of SIGs project to build a light, belt-fed .277 machine gun cartridge and rifle for the U.S. military. Will you be able to find ammo? So, for an all-around elk-thumper, Ive gone back to the .338. On the other side of the caliber scale are the .35 Whelen (.30/06 necked up) and various .375s. Mag. 2023 Backfire LLC, a limited liability company headquartered in Utah, USA. The main body, however, is brass. of .616 from a 24-inch barrel 3,000 fps and a 190-gr. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. poses para tomarse fotos hombres, how to fix samsung microwave error code c 10,
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